Curse

Regulus X · Sep 01, 2009, 08:31 PM // 20:31

Hero Battles being cut off is understood, but Team Arenas?!?!

WTF?!?! WHY!!?!

Does the only way to solve world hunger mean to simply starve them until there's no one to worry about feeding? Does the only way to cure a disease mean killing the patient?!

There's no threat to leaving Team Arenas alone and perhaps REWARD PLAYERS FOR ORGANIZED PLAY?! Maybe the Live Team could, I dunno.. [wild stab here] double gladiator points for TAing? Or perhaps scale down gladiator progression in RA to make TA more appealing?!?!

Wow, Live Team... just, wow...! Win, win?! Linsey, please share some of them drugs with me so you can help me understand just WHY!? ya'll are removing TA... >:/ [besides mebbe wiping ur hands clean of the responsibility of TA-related 'balancing' issues?].

riktw · Sep 01, 2009, 09:04 PM // 21:04

O_O drugs are bad mkay
as the only way to really balance PvP is a split skill of about every skill and maybe split skills for 4v4 this is the most simple, easy and cheap way to fix.
and TA is dead atm, and removing it is the most simple solution

Martin Firestorm · Sep 01, 2009, 09:08 PM // 21:08

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Originally Posted by Regulus X

Does the only way to solve world hunger mean to simply starve them until there's no one to worry about feeding? Does the only way to cure a disease mean killing the patient?!

You forgot terrorism. C'mon, there must be some terrorism angle too. TA is a very big deal.

Asplode · Sep 01, 2009, 09:09 PM // 21:09

Well okay I'm not nearly as passionate as you with regards to TA being removed, but I am rather bummed out that they plan on taking it out.

And yet, at the same time, I do recognize that it's a fairly dead arena, but that doesn't mean it should be taken out, y'know? >_>

insidious420 · Sep 01, 2009, 09:27 PM // 21:27

Just curious, where did u guys get this info from? It's the first of heard of it....

poppu16 · Sep 01, 2009, 09:46 PM // 21:46

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Originally Posted by insidious420

Just curious, where did u guys get this info from? It's the first of heard of it....

Upcoming changes and features

urania · Sep 01, 2009, 10:18 PM // 22:18

they have absolutely NO LEGITIMATE REASON for removing TA.
so...go die anet.

icedwhitemocha · Sep 01, 2009, 10:33 PM // 22:33

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ost&t=10398640

sup ta section

X Cytherea X · Sep 01, 2009, 11:00 PM // 23:00

i dunno, reading Linsey's page, sealed deck could be pretty cool. give it a chance imo.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User:...led_.3D_WIN.21

uzumaki · Sep 01, 2009, 11:37 PM // 23:37

balancing skills is too hard/too much trouble so ta will be exterminated

apparently its too hard to revert mb immolate and meteor back to the way they were before?

rip

Shayne Hawke · Sep 01, 2009, 11:53 PM // 23:53

The game is not really supposed to be that balanced around 4v4 formats anyway.

pah01 · Sep 02, 2009, 01:09 AM // 01:09

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

The game is not really supposed to be that balanced around 4v4 formats anyway.

Except that it isn't that hard to do anyway.

Name me one problem in 4v4 that couldn't have been fixed w/o detrimental effect on HA or GVG.

I am willing to bet that the only thing stopping stuff that is detrimental in 4v4 being the same[ie; detrimental] in 8v8 is redundancy in 8v8.

Joe

FoxBat · Sep 02, 2009, 02:20 AM // 02:20

Let's say they went and put some balance into the arena, and it became 300-400% more popular. Then we wouldn't be getting sealed deck, because it's "splitting the limited user base" too much. And I don't think any skill balance, no matter how awesome, is going to revive TA to remotely the levels that they could support it and SD. SD has a billion times more potential, so if we have to choose, I know which one I'm going with.

Chocobo1 · Sep 02, 2009, 02:33 AM // 02:33

Other than that, I wish they'd keep the formats. I don't wanna have to grind Glad title by playing in RA, and it removes any of the credibility it had (lolnotmuch).

HB being removed is a little sad since I had just started getting into it, but I can see it has its flaws even at a low tier of play.

Regulus X · Sep 02, 2009, 03:49 AM // 03:49

HB = IA, TA = Real Brain [REAL PvP]..

[100% PvP = Player vs Player (100%)]

...nuff sedd?

RA is now the ONLY way of getting gladiator points?!?! *clicks enter and observes flare warriors, meteor rangers, mindblast monks, mending/heal.breeze, frenzy/heal.sig, and much, MUCH more!*

OMFG! What the f*** did Anet just do...? qq

I Jonas I · Sep 02, 2009, 03:50 AM // 03:50

"instead of applying a number of relatively simple suggestions to fix dead formats, we are going to take the easy way out and REMOVE THEM FROM THE F*CKING GAME"

Nice one, a net

Wynthyst · Sep 02, 2009, 04:34 AM // 04:34

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Originally Posted by urania

they have absolutely NO LEGITIMATE REASON for removing TA.
so...go die anet.

They have a plethora of legitimate reasons for removing TA, and I think Linsey did a fair job addressing most of them in her post. The numbers for TA don't support the resources it uses and would require to "fix" it, and they wish to repurpose some of the TA resources (the arena and maps) for the new sealed deck format that a large percentage of the pvp player base has been asking for for years.

Continuing to support a broken format for a small percentage of players when their resources are already stretched is illogical, as well as unsound from a business standpoint.

Reusing some of those currently under utilized resources to decrease the development time of a new, wanted, unbroken (keeping the faith) format that will interest a large percentage of the pvp playerbase is a much more logical and sound decision.

Kwisatz_Haderach · Sep 02, 2009, 05:24 AM // 05:24

First, of all I have to say I have loved both the ta and hbexperience, and will miss them dearly.

But on to more pressing question: How will they manage this Sealed Deck Arena?
For Example, in Lyndsey's page she talks about the great deal of effort it would take to rebalance both TA and HB (which I agree with), but it may take up as much time to keep up decent templates for SD (Sealed Deck) especialy considering how fast metas can change. Furthermore, if they start using bars that include unpopular skills (heaven forbid a warrior actually bringing healing signet), experimental bars that are pure theorycraft and fail in practice, or even worse Henchmen bars, I can see this format becoming even more abandoned than either TA or HB have ever been.

Pretty much, I am just questioning whether anet has the time and the will to put for the effort to keep SD viable.

So far for other formats, they have showed they can not.

icedwhitemocha · Sep 02, 2009, 06:27 AM // 06:27

^ I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the decks will consist of skills chosen at random automatically. Part of the fun is making the most of mediocre/bad bars.

Sealed Deck would be a true "set and forget" arena for Anet. Immunity to balance concerns is no small factor.

urania · Sep 02, 2009, 06:59 AM // 06:59

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Originally Posted by Wynthyst

They have a plethora of legitimate reasons for removing TA, and I think Linsey did a fair job addressing most of them in her post. The numbers for TA don't support the resources it uses and would require to "fix" it, and they wish to repurpose some of the TA resources (the arena and maps) for the new sealed deck format that a large percentage of the pvp player base has been asking for for years.

Continuing to support a broken format for a small percentage of players when their resources are already stretched is illogical, as well as unsound from a business standpoint.

Reusing some of those currently under utilized resources to decrease the development time of a new, wanted, unbroken (keeping the faith) format that will interest a large percentage of the pvp playerbase is a much more logical and sound decision.

False, they can easily use the HB maps alone for the SD. Moreover, a fairly large pvp player base (at least in the past..) has also been asking for TA to be given the rewards HB has received instead, so?

They NEVER supported TA, and PLEASE give me a break with lacking resources. if they can make a goddamn zoo, huge pve updates and a humongous random pvp buffs that sure seems like plenty of free resources to me.

Not to mention that TA was NEVER so broken it could no longer be fixed. That was HB - a faulty arena to start with.

It is an irrational decision, because it will make more players quit the game on the long run. whoever has this great desire to play SD WILL PLAY IT EVEN WITH TA STILL AROUND. ffs.

Also, give me a break about how much effort it'd take to make TA a whole lot better place. A handful of nerfs (and unbuffs...) and most of the abused gimmicks would be gone.